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PostSubject: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 12:16 am

The MLEC design team has come up with what I think is a very unique and creative hybrid weapon.

They don't want the cat out of the bag until we make one and see how it turns out, but here is the inside scoop..

It is not quite a drum and not quite a beater, but its function is the same...a rotating drum/beater weapon, but with a twist.

If it works out, we wil be able to keep the same weight, but with a much beefier blade retention setup...., but with no nut bars or whatever needed!!!


Really the big question is how it will peform aerodynamically...We all know that beaters draw more current than similar sized drums..this should be somewhere in between, hopefully closer to a drum...

The design team scaled it down so that we can make one for little Sting....which has a weapon motor that can't get out of its own way, so if it is successful on sting, the bigger 15 pounders would have not problem whatsoever, in that they are over motored to say the least.

Curious? Coming soon.....

Hint: Making it requires a 4th axis on the cnc mill

bounce Razz affraid
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 12:47 am

your stealing kyles(fangus) beater!! lol
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 12:47 am

I think i know what you did.... Razz

I'll keep it to myself for now, but i have a similar idea (i think) for a beater/drum hybrid..
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 1:32 am

This is like nothing I'vie ever seen...so find and put up pics of whatever you think it might be.

If you get it right, I'll spill the beans...but I'm willing to bet that there's nothing like it...It's nothing like Kyle's

This is going to be be good...I think that your jaws will drop when you see it.!!!
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 1:36 am

Hmmm how many pieces is it?
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 2:04 am

1 solid alu round bar....to begin with.....outside of that , just the S7 blades and retention hardware.
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 2:44 am

The 4 axis machining is done!!! Just needs some finishing touches and then a sans blade preliminary speed test...then.....???

btw: my cnc did not have a 4th axis....I managed to put one together from stuff I had lying around...!!!

So this was also the first test of its performance and it did great...it made over 500 full revolutions to make the part!!! and didn't miss a beat


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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 2:45 am

at 2am?! Talk about extra effort.
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 27, 2009 10:11 pm

Well Sting's new camshaft drum is done and it looks kind of bizarre.

So far bench testing looks VERY promising...aero/drag is low, considering

Remember that you saw it here first...

This will be unique and if it works....??? Stings11

Made from a single solid alu bar....retention hardware is massive (for a 3 pound bot) and the beef is where it needs to be.

It also weighs less than my first drum with 1/4" wall...lol

Tell me what you think????
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 27, 2009 10:54 pm

we'll just have to see how it works! It looks very cool.
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 27, 2009 11:23 pm

It's working great so far.....decently low amperage draw and approaching 30k with my lowest kv motor!!
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeSat Nov 28, 2009 10:20 am

Looks awesome!
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeSat Nov 28, 2009 10:50 am

Frisco wrote:
Looks awesome!

Thanks...a lot of work and I had to build a 4th axis...luckily I had everything I needed already!!! Got lucky
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeSun Nov 29, 2009 2:45 pm

We did some gyro and drum testing today... and it was quite impressive

Here are some pics of Sting with what looks like the final weapon ....a hybrid

The screws look like eyes, or.....

LOW beams

This will be unique and if it works....??? Lowbea10

HIGH beams

This will be unique and if it works....??? Hibeam10
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30, 2009 10:13 am

Here's a short video of our new drum design being machined and some initial gyro and hit testing

I believe that this design is unique, but correct me if I'm wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-a5uosi1AA

Currently running at up to 30k, the setup is being tweaked a bit

During the hit on the 1 lbs blocks, recoil causes the bot to hit the second block. The first block lands on the grass about 30 or so feet away.

Hitting larger /heavier blocks was not as impressive, in that rather than lauching, the blades just cut big gouges into the soft alu.
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30, 2009 1:12 pm

Doesn't seem like it would have enough MOI with most of the alum towards the middle. Those toolsteel bits don't look too heavy... Maybe the 15lbs version will be better.
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30, 2009 1:40 pm

Josh Raichel wrote:
Doesn't seem like it would have enough MOI with most of the alum towards the middle. Those toolsteel bits don't look too heavy... Maybe the 15lbs version will be better.

My older drum had 3/8 x 3/8 x 1.1" teeth, this one has 1/2" wide teeth, plus the much heavier hardware right at or near the circumference, plus more alu out near the circumference, yet it weighs the same as the round conventional drum.

It also takes longer to spin down that the round drum, so.....????? You tell me
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30, 2009 3:24 pm

rjw wrote:
Josh Raichel wrote:
Doesn't seem like it would have enough MOI with most of the alum towards the middle. Those toolsteel bits don't look too heavy... Maybe the 15lbs version will be better.

My older drum had 3/8 x 3/8 x 1.1" teeth, this one has 1/2" wide teeth, plus the much heavier hardware right at or near the circumference, plus more alu out near the circumference, yet it weighs the same as the round conventional drum.

It also takes longer to spin down that the round drum, so.....????? You tell me

Hmm.... i retract my statement.
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30, 2009 3:33 pm

Josh...

It was a valid thought, most would think even worse.

This happens to be reasonably well thought out...once some aero testing and refining is done, we should see higher r's, less current draw and better overall efficiency....(on the bigger bots)

Sting might go thru one refinement (attempt to optimize the aero aspect), but the hammerhead drum shown works well enough as is. I will use it at RMP in January and Moto in Feb. with a lot of confidence.
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30, 2009 4:22 pm

So you are coming up for Moto? Can't wait to see Sting in person.
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30, 2009 9:08 pm

Sting and Son of Thump are registered...pending approval, but i may need a driver for Sting....

Anyone interested, please pm or email me

Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30, 2009 9:48 pm

wow. that's all I've got to say.
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 30, 2009 10:35 pm

ew ew ew me me me!!!! haha
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PostSubject: Re: This will be unique and if it works....???   This will be unique and if it works....??? I_icon_minitimeThu Dec 03, 2009 11:06 am

Cody..

The first block landed 45 feet from the edge of the 8x8 driving area
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ShamWOW! it!! lol
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