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PostSubject: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:19 am

So im not sure if any of you have been following up with the DX6i binding problems but it seems to be pretty much solved by switching to AR500 reciever. These can still be set just as the BR6000. THe difference between the Dx6 vs. dx6i is that the dx6i uses dsm2 while the dx6 is dsm1 as is the br6000 reciever. The br6000's do work with the dx6i still they just take a longer period of time to bind since the radio searches dsm2 before switching to dsm1 after so long without signal.
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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:26 am

do you have a list of which other spectrums are dsm2 compatible?

I know that the dx6 isn't...how about those fire prone ones with the speed wheel or whatever?

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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:31 am

http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Technology/DSM2.aspx

I recomend keeping your weapon spinning butttt I dont recomend overloading your esc's Smile
Im glad ours just shorted a capacitor at nationals in miami and didnt go into flames like that
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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:42 am

Cody Harris wrote:
http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Technology/DSM2.aspx

I recomend keeping your weapon spinning butttt I dont recomend overloading your esc's Smile
Im glad ours just shorted a capacitor at nationals in miami and didnt go into flames like that

The crowd LOVED it.....everyone was screaming and yelling and generally having a lot of fun....when it burst into flames AGAIN....it was pretty entertaining to say the least....but poor fluffy.........

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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:16 am

Cody--what do you mean "following up" with the binding problems? Is there some other forum in which the problems with BR6000 and dsm2 are being discussed? The reason I ask is that I have a few issues and want to learn more. (read on)

I'm happy to hear that my DX6i's can bind to something that has built in failsafe, but unfortunately

(From the battlebots website)
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The new Building Rules cover this in detail but BattleBots recommends using the Spektrum DX6 or DX7 controller with the BR6000 receiver (or equivalent). The DX6 or DX7 transmitter can be used only with the BR6000 receiver.
(emaphsis mine)

One way to read that is that the BR6000 is a requirement, period. The other is that it is required only if you are using the DX6 or 7. A third way of reading that is "or equivalent" means any failsafed system is OK. If the first is true, it would mean that the AR500 isn't an option.

So, unless Battlebots allows the AR500, I have two radios that are, essentially, worthless. I'm guessing that there is no way that it what they mean, because that would make pistolgrip controllers illegal (since none of them work with the BR6000), so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for 'or equivalent'

In my opinion, Spektrum needs to produce a dsm2 version of the BR6000, and they really should have done it when they rolled out the DX6i. The most maddening thing about it is that they absolutely refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem. Every recommendation I've gotten about it has ended up with "just keep trying and it will work eventually" which does NOT instill the kind of confidence I need to put a bot into battle.

On a different aspect of this topic--pistol grip controllers are unequivocally much easier to drive. (But a pain to setup for weapons)
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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:39 am

on the rfl form under electronics....can't get the link to work in this message tho...brain dead

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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:28 am

Any of the DSM2 transmitters and receivers will meet the failsafes as long as they match (DSM2 -DSM2)..
You cannot use DSM receiver and DSM2 Transmitter and still meet failsafes.
The 5000-6110-esc receivers and so forth will meet the failsafes with a DSM2 Transmitter.
We use 2 6Xi's and as long as we use a DSM2 reveiver with them they are fine.
Our DX6 uses the 6000's and they have to stay with the DX6's and cannot be used with the DX6i's.
We use 3 Transmitters 1-6 and 2- 6i's. The 6 stays with the BR6000 and the 6i's stay with the AR6110's.
We use the 3 transmitters to control 7 different robots.
DSM2 came out with the release of the 6i's and anything later released.
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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:56 am

The DX5e also has serious binding issues with BR6000s. The Ar5000 (and AR6100) both seem to bind fine though. And as far as "eventually binds" goes, I've taped the trainer switch up, but the chip and transmitter in another room so I wouldn't have to deal with the incessant beeping, and left it for about twenty minutes and it still hadn't bound.

My dad bought a brand new BR6000 from robot marketplace, and we could not get it to bind to anything, so they let him bring it back in to them and switch it out for an AR5000.

Occasionally, though, you will find a BR6000 that binds to a DX6i (i.e. Copperhead's) or a DX5e (i.e. Dethinator) without issue, but when the issues arise, they are painfully frustrating.

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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:08 am

They will bind up but their failsafes are not up to par!
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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:29 pm

I prefer the old Dx6. Controller feels better.
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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:47 pm

Jim from robot marketplace said that he was getting a failsafe on all channels with the Ar6100 and Ar5000 if I remember correctly, so he's been recommending those...

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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:47 pm

The 6000 and 5000 are fine its the older combo that is not up to par:(below)

Occasionally, though, you will find a BR6000 that binds to a DX6i (i.e. Copperhead's) or a DX5e (i.e. Dethinator) without issue, but when the issues arise, they are painfully frustrating.
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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:16 pm

i didnt really read the whole thread
WHat i ment by following up is researching or looking for options after all of the recalls and trouble that they had.
Where did you see the Battlebots suggestion on using the dx6 or dx7? I just went back and looked at the BotsIQpa and it just had a list of specifications that need to be followed. From what i get out of it the AR reciever is acceptable. The failsafes on them just go to the stick postion when it first binds so they need to be in the off postition.
I dont really see you guys competing in any Battlebots competitions anytime soon.
The DX6i does work with the BR6000 but like i already said they search DSM first only then switching to DSM2 after not recieving a signal.
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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:03 pm

We used the 6i with our BR6000's last year and it worked fine but they are not allowing them this year because I guess they really do not have 100 percent control on the failsafe.

We just ordered 3 6110's because of this.

Sumey and I were emailing back and forth just to be safe and make sure they work.

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PostSubject: Re: dx6i issues   Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:50 am

Ha thats the man to go threw! lol
I never heard anything with the BR6000s not failsafing right with the DX6i, only the long/trouble binding with each other, weird
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