SWPA BotsIQ 2011

and thats why i prefer my robotics experience to have little to no affiliation with schools

or for that matter an sporting activity. schools seam to corrupt the fun of it some how

since this is all different than what Carmen told me day of, where does bot 12 in your bracket fight? I believe there will be some changes made day off so I am not setting anything in stone.

Alex wrote:

Mr. P wrote:

since this is all different than what Carmen told me day of, where does bot 12 in your bracket fight? I believe there will be some changes made day off so I am not setting anything in stone.

Mike A and Greg Chambers told me that it was going to be seeded 1 vs 12 (like it is supposed to be) on Friday, but Mike V. made a big deal about the 2 vs 3 on saturday.

I don't know where 12 goes lol.

no what i have been hearing was its

1 gets bye

2 vs 3

4 gets bye

5 vs 6

7 gets bye

8 vs 9

10 gets bye

11 vs 12

and this makes more sense with the 12 bots to

and that makes it even more flawed because really you could lose whenever u want and figure out exactly where u want ur self so u can get a bye and fight the more wrecked up bots at the bottom of the bracket

Steve Drove the Drum (Kv) and Jake drove Under U

They used to have there comittee meeting at PSNK and would invite me to attend, it was these types of things that they would ask me and a would go on to tell them why it was such a terrible idea

I guess I should've said when I was at PSNK.
They just care about getting teams into it so when teams come in with a lexan bot that gets blown up and dont want to be part of it next year its hurting them. They could care less about the progression of the bots or anything else. They would rather have new teams with new kids rather then have Plum or West Mifflin etc. come back next year

The system should randomly select the robots for the bracket. A seeding system is totally flawed and could be used by teams smart enough to exploit them.

Getting the same number of points to win in the loser bracket is also insane. There should be a different set of number so the early rounds are worth a lower number and it climbs as wins are racked up. If you are really ranking the robots, then that should influence the points earned. Why should a team that beats an 11th placed ranked robot earn the same points as a team that might knock off the top seeded team. This is really messed up system.

Give points per round. The loser brackets earn points, but not as many as the winners bracket. The points combined with the interview and document would determine the overall winner. If you base it all on points earned, then any team with a bye should earn full points for that round just like they earned a win. Since a bye, essentially is a win... just not against an opponent.


Just my two cents... Random bracket... points could be based on the rounds advanced. Loser bracket is worth 1/3 the points for a winners bracket. Byes count as full points...

Good luck with this ... I hope the rest of the NTMA does not follow this lead.

i agree the way they have the brackets now is just stupid and teams can easily place themselves where it gives them the best advantage in the brackets ... i say randomize it

marsh368 wrote:

The system should randomly select the robots for the bracket. A seeding system is totally flawed and could be used by teams smart enough to exploit them.

Getting the same number of points to win in the loser bracket is also insane. There should be a different set of number so the early rounds are worth a lower number and it climbs as wins are racked up. If you are really ranking the robots, then that should influence the points earned. Why should a team that beats an 11th placed ranked robot earn the same points as a team that might knock off the top seeded team. This is really messed up system.

Give points per round. The loser brackets earn points, but not as many as the winners bracket. The points combined with the interview and document would determine the overall winner. If you base it all on points earned, then any team with a bye should earn full points for that round just like they earned a win. Since a bye, essentially is a win... just not against an opponent.


Just my two cents... Random bracket... points could be based on the rounds advanced. Loser bracket is worth 1/3 the points for a winners bracket. Byes count as full points...

Good luck with this ... I hope the rest of the NTMA does not follow this lead.

I agree that the competition is basically rigged and is just unfair
why should it be any different from any other competiton

Ahhhh Lay off guys...

I do believe they are trying to make it better, They are just going the wrong direction with a few things and taking other things a little further than they need to be...

They want to let first year schools have a better experience but took a step further than they need to.

They want to have a pre run for tune ups which they did and they wanted it to mean something which they did but they just went a step further than they needed to.

They are thinking about a fall tournament as a fundraiser which is a good idea.

They do get scholarships, start up money, organize and put up with the stupid stuff...

If you would see some of the paperwork you would agree with what they are doing with the documentation..

I agree with about 85% of what they do but like I said just a little too far sometimes...

This bracket direction.... well I think most of you know what I think but who knows what it will actually be... Things might have been said but nothing has been released as of yet.

Frisco

where is this being held now i keep forgetting

Stephen wrote:

where is this being held now i keep forgetting

westmorland college

yah thanks i have always called it the mall competition so i keep forgetting where its at lol

good luck to everyone

credits to Alex and Cody

Hopefully someone will post updates as they occur

news coming in. Plum ( atomic) loser bracket. Plum ( shocker ) also loser bracket. This is the news I been getting by phone calls. Did not see it. almost don't believe it, But has been confirmed by Alex through text. its looking like the march madness bracket. It's all busted up....

any more detail, video?

I didn't get any good video and I was too engrossed in the better fights to try and record.
as in Black Mamba(Admiral Perry) vs. Propel
Atomic vs Hempfield (what an upset)
Shocker vs Belle Vernon (wasn't that interesting, but I wanted to see the outcome)

So....I did have a nice sized reply but the forum ate it...
I know no one really cares, but we got our robot mini nuke running better for what it is and we would have gone a lot farther, but we faced a good robot(black Mamba). It wasn't too cute of a fight.

Our other team's robot showed a lot of promise, but they lost after chewing up propel when they were unable to move back to their starting position. The arena was still not good and I think it should be a lot better. Because of the arena there were a lot of slow fights, but there was still more action than the prelims because people tried to adapt to this.

If you don't have a two wheel drive robot and you have clearance less than 1/4 inch then you were destined to get stuck.

Black Mamba fixed their teeth to not shatter as fast and they came with A LOT more weapons.

I think the volunteers could have been better informed of a few things like where they were doing the speed test(we walked around for 10 minutes), but that's no big deal.

The projector screens were viewable this time! No matter where you were in the gym you had a great view of the fight.

I look forward to tomorrow and good luck to everyone else!

Ctown_ftw wrote:

I didn't get any good video and I was too engrossed in the better fights to try and record.
as in Black Mamba(Admiral Perry) vs. Propel
Atomic vs Hempfield (what an upset)
Shocker vs Belle Vernon (wasn't that interesting, but I wanted to see the outcome)

yah the controls on atomic were all messed up

Something was up.
I enjoyed it though
You guys were there for SO long before you fought and have had the robot.
Our robot still wasn't done going in and usually when we fight is the first time we get to test it.
People just expected more.

well we tested atomic like 3 times and all of a sudden it wouldnt turn on

No good.

Oh! Another good fight was team Back in Black with the Grime Reaper vs the Black Mamba
It was the only time I ever saw Black Mamba's armor get touched and it got a chunk taken out.
They have a back up and were planning on welding it so they suffered no significant loss, but now the loser's bracket just got a lot harder.

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Tons of weapon that are sub par....i saw a drum today that used 8-32 cap head screws for a weapon

Was that the "drum" that was only 3/4inch in diameter if it was lucky??

In my opinion if some of the other teams had good weapon motors their weapons would be able to deal out some damage despite the possibility of breaking their weapon.