BotsIQ Prelims

oh and seriously i want to see some video from this competition im stuck watching old stuff from like 2009 and stuff

Alex wrote:

here is best match of the day lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4kmp4X0wBM
Fail much!

what happed

Alex wrote:

here is best match of the day lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4kmp4X0wBM
Fail much!

Man, I clicked on that expecting to see a good fight. Way to disappoint!

SenaiERI wrote:

Alex wrote:

here is best match of the day lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4kmp4X0wBM
Fail much!

Man, I clicked on that expecting to see a good fight. Way to disappoint!

Then watch dons video again

Cody wrote:

Then watch dons video again

A link would be nice. Cody, you should know by now. I am Lazy.

Don Doerfler wrote:

one of my best matches
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000042422059#!/video/video.php?v=210930662251680&comments

very lazy
steve theres a couple matches on youtube but nothing good. Imagine how it feels to be me, atleast you got to go

OHHHHHH DAAAAYYUUUUUM! Heeells yeah man. That was a good match.

Stephen wrote:

Alex wrote:

here is best match of the day lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4kmp4X0wBM
Fail much!

what happed

a screw from our spring loaded motors went into the weapon on impact

yah we need some good video iv been watching prelim video from like 2009 or something

oh and my team keeps telling me how bad of a drive i am so i want to see the vid and see myself lol

did someone forget to count?

yeah steve but u gota take into consideration the controls were completely backwards and we had no time to fix it so wat could u do it aint ur fault and u did okay with it bein all messed up

hey dont u start saying that i was the one that said that to u guys and u didnt listen to me oh and post up that one vid u know what im talking about

Alex wrote:

Can anyone tell me the top robots in each bracket? like 1, 2, 3, 4?

sure for the pros
1.Atomic
2.KV
3.Shocker
4.(central)

good point ...

Alex wrote:

Wow okay....Eastern westmorland CTC has always done very well in the swpa event always being in the top 5 (out of 48) robots there lost every single one of their matches at the prelims seating themselves 10th and 7th out of 12. (one of these two robots actually took 4th last year) By having a lower seating they face worse robots at the actual event. Your telling me a robot that only lost to plum last year is in the lower 50 percentile? I think not. EWCTC was one of the few teams that knew about this seating system that was being used.....

They have one of the big hits uploaded, look for more to be coming

yay

Alex, Are you accusing EWCTC of rigging themselves to face lesser bots?!

Do you realize how retarded that sounds?

They worked on that bot up until the night before at 11pm. No testing. Just went into the match like we always use to do. Full blown and untested. It's a sad fact sure, but that is how we'd always seem to do it.

They are a completely new team with Razorhawg. No veterans helped them minus me, and i missed most of their building due to school and work. This was all their own design and work. They didn't do so well because they didn't build so well. Alpha on the other hand lost by lack of judgment in design and maintenance. Belt fried, and they forgot to switch out a battery.

And how is this seeding a bad thing?

This allows the lesser teams to have a fighting chance, and the big guys to knock each other out to let someone else take the stage.

You mad that plum doesn't get to face a gauntlet of wedges on its glorious rise to the top? Instead they and other high ranking teams actually have to fight hard to get up there.

This is not all about winning Alex. This is a educational experience for all the teams. And what would learning be if a new team comes into the game and get totally destroyed by a team that has been through this all before.


Not all schools have the resources to build and manufacture such extreme bots. EWCTC has the resources but we lack a bot that has been used more than 2 times. They build a new one almost every year to try something new and give each team a true concept to product experience. If they truly wanted to be a winning school they would use and improve on Alpha and Redemption year after year. But whats the point in that?

I think its more of the fact that they've gone the wrong way about doing this. If the had an actual points system worked out rather then win you get this lose you get this.
Right idea, wrong execution.
Through the past five years plum has fought against the top bots not only in pa but the nation. How has EWCTC faired against fayette or at a national event?
Its good to hear excuses again and again year after year.
You guys built a bot, named it Redemption and it failed.
If its not about competition and winning then why are they changing the bracket after 6 years of doing the same thing and setting them selves apart from every other event run by the NTMA.
Your right its not about competeing and/or winning.I dont even know why they bother fighting, I'm sure the science center would gladly set up tables and so everyone could set up there robot display and then they can get a ribbon for attending.

BotsIQPA could care less about what kids learn. They make no effort to actually get these other teams into a machine shops. First years teams bots getting blown up is nothing but the comittees fault. I've volunteered my time year after year and end up getting blown off by BotsIQ PA. Look at the first year teams that Alex and/or I helped out this year and look how there bots have done so far.

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we actually dont care about how the brackets r made up we just dont want to destroy our same bots so early in the competition i mean who would

Cody,

It's not an excuse. It's a reason. WE DID NOT USE THE SAME BOT OVER AND OVER. Each year EWCTC go in with a first year bot to fight. Not a smart strategy to win by any means. If they did go all the way, then the victory is much sweeter. Either way they LEARN how to design, produce and finalize the bot, and all the logistics to go with it. We had students in our teams that did nothing and we forced them to learn and produce. Not sit back and be another pair of hands.

If they wanted to be a winning school then they would forgo a significant educational purpose and just brute force a single design until it became winning. EWCTC teams don't think in terms of winning for the school year after year. Just winning as a Junior team or Senior team with their OWN bot. No adopting a design from a previous year. No honor in using a previous fought bot, that you didn't design to get a win.

And way to take a absolute way to what i said. I didn't say make it a pussy comp and give them ribbons. Just make it easier for new teams to have a fighting chance, and make sure the focus is on learning. Being in bots helped me A LOT with getting a job and applying what i learned into that job, going from a design, into production and then into a finalized stage to sell or use.


Dony,

EWCTC face themselves first as well. And so does Derry. And neither team will back down and use no weapons like some other teams have. This is a poor bracket design in that regard, that i agree with. It is probably so one school does not dominate the competition by forfeiting a match against themselves and striking at the bracket with each bot in a winner bracket and loser bracket.

When was the last time a school with a decent position in the brackets fight itself with weapons full blast.
O yeah plum has been the only one. Fighting yourself in a grudge match doesnt count.
I was told EWCTC used alphahawg again this year. I know you guys have also fought your bots multiple years.
Plum has built atleast one new bot every year if not more. Keep in mind not every school has as large of a team as EWCTC, the machine access that EWCTC has.

I dont know if you saw the edit to my last post but BotsIQ PA could careless to what these kids learn. They think this program alone is going to get these kids into maching but they make absolutly no effort to get anyone into in actual machine shop and see how this stuff is done. You have your select schools, such as yours that have there own machining capability but other then that of the 400 or some kids that are in the program half have no idea what a mill even is.

I'm starting to see why FIRST and VEX are growing more and more while BotsIQ is falling apart....

FIRST and VEX do look more enticing than BotsIQ, that i agree on...

Alphahawg is the only one. We have not used a bot more than that... Each year has been a new bot with limited money and only our own machining capabilities. Not to mention the program does not revolve around bots and they must focus on other things.

And you guys just bumped each other in the other times you had to fight each other. Its wasn't until the END that you let weapons blasting. And now you MUST fight each other as a rule because of what Plum did early on, forfeiting to the other bot because "they would cause too much damage to each other". Not many teams had more than 1 bot at the time. Now that more do they must suffer and fight each other at full bore, while you guys got away with it. Lots of rules come from things Plum was involved with...

We all remember that Alpha and SNS match... And ironically its the same way Shockwave beat Groundhawg.

Josh Raichel wrote:

We all remember that Alpha and SNS match... And ironically its the same way Shockwave beat Groundhawg.

Your still on that? That was 5 years ago. Rules are rules. Maybe you guys should try to get your advisers to convince them to change that rule too.
Like I asked when was the last time you guys were in a winning position and fought each other. Or havent you guys ever actually won a competition?
Alphahawg got owned in that match anyway. If it had gone to judges you still would have lost.
So your telling me that its not fair that your club, because they dont focus just on Bots, should win the competition when our team spends countless hours of our own time outside of school with limtied resources to build or bots. hmmm
If a team wants to win they need to put in the time and effort. There are several teams this year that have but are just going to get screwed because of how the want to run the brackets
Again it seems like your pulling out excuses but maybe its just me.

Haha Cody I have never seen anyone get in as many heated battles on the Internet as you. As for my opinion in the argument it does suck when a team has to face eachother my opinion has been we decide who is more likely to succeed where and do an immediate tap instead of wasting everyones time with a pushing match or risking knocking one of us out of the competition completely. For the finals if it ever happens all bets are off same goes if both bots have one loss. And I think we all put a ridiculous amount of time building these robots so puffing your chest out an saying I spent more time doing this is pointless. And at least for us this is an educational club so the main purpose is to teach kids about everything to do with designing and building a bot so if we win it's just a bonus.